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Oasis Reunion at the Rose Bowl // Yungblud rock's newest heir? // The war of authenticity
Sometimes the most memorable adventures come with just 24 hours' notice. When the opportunity arose to see the historic Oasis reunion at the Rose Bowl, we jumped on a plane for a whirlwind 48-hour trip that delivered unforgettable moments despite sleep deprivation and organizational chaos.
The concert itself was nothing short of magnificent. Standing in a prime VIP spot, we witnessed brothers Liam and Noel Gallagher share the stage after 15 years apart, playing with surprising chemistry and genuine appreciation for their fans. Beyond the expected anthems like "Wonderwall" and "Don't Look Back in Anger," deeper cuts revealed the thoughtful setlist choices that made this reunion special. Liam's unexpected playfulness—placing tambourines on his head and joking with the crowd—contrasted beautifully with Noel's impeccable musicianship, while their massive video display created an immersive atmosphere without overshadowing the music itself.
Beyond Oasis, we dive into a fascinating conversation about authenticity in rock music. From Yungblud positioning himself as Ozzy Osbourne's heir to Wolfgang Van Halen deliberately forging his own path away from his father's legacy, we explore how artists navigate expectations while finding their true voice. We also reflect on the tragic loss of Mastodon's Brent Hinds and what it means when band relationships remain unresolved before a member's passing.
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what's up what is up? Party people, people, we're back.
Speaker 1:We are back for another one we're back for the show, but we're also just back to normal selves. Oh, my goodness gracious quite an adventure a few days ago and, uh, you know, actually I snapped back pretty quick. I was gonna say I'm I'm realizing that I'm starting to get older and I was kind of feeling that way there for a minute. But actually I I still feel young.
Speaker 2:Well, let's, uh, we'll tell our listener what, uh, what you did. So I call you. Okay, I'll rewind. August 27th Last year, oasis announces shows in the U? S. I was already bummed because I couldn't get UK shows probably one of my favorite bands ever uh, long, long time fan. And I was just like, oh, my god, they're really going to do this. This is great, they're going to get back together. And then, of course, all the nerves of like are they going to make it? Are they going to start fighting before that's?
Speaker 1:what I thought was going to happen. I thought they were going to announce it and never make it to the stage it will implode before it gets to the.
Speaker 2:US. But you know what they had, I don't know 20-something shows across the UK. You're seeing all the diaries and highlights from the website and I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait. So again, we got VIP tickets for the Rose Bowl show and up until basically the Friday before the show, we didn't know if those other tickets were going to be able to sell. My wife and I had the tickets, of course, but we had two extra ones. We weren't sure if you were going to be able to go. So I call you from the airport and say, hey, how rockstar are you? You want to come out and do this bucket list thing with me? Let's do it. And to my delight, you said, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:Saturday we pick you up from the airport in Burbank and we make it to the rose bowl and we'll get into all that stuff about the rose bowl in a second. Um, yeah, don't get me, because we have some. We have some pretty honest feedback to give. But, um, I think, my question honestly for you. You know how big of a fan I am of the band and you know how much I love all of like Noel and Liam's solo stuff too. So for for you, I know you had a lot of emotion, a lot of, you know, excitement about the show getting to see them for the very first time and maybe the only time you get to see them. So I'd love to just just ask you what your thoughts were on the show. Obviously we couldn't have gotten a better vantage point from the stage and all that it was. It was truly remarkable. But I'd love to hear your takes on that and see what, uh, for a first time, the person getting to see them play. What were your thoughts?
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't even know where to start. I have a ton of thoughts. My first thought is that I feel like I set a terrible precedent and you now know exactly how to manipulate me by just asking me how rock star I'm feeling, because I'm not going to want to back down from that one.
Speaker 2:It's like a double dare.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally yeah. Yeah, I mean, when you called me, it was one of those moments where I knew that that, uh, that show was happening and I knew that, uh, there was a possibility at one point that I'd be able to get to go and just for whatever reason, I kind of assumed that it wasn't going to work out, you know. And so then when you asked me that, I just thought why not, why not? I mean, it's just money, you know, yes, that is true?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1:My other concern was, you know, like my wife had a shift and then you know we have a dog here and you know we moved to Nashville a year ago Some of you may know that and so we have yet to find a place to like watch our dog when we go out of town. And so I called a couple of places and I found somebody who was willing to take him that day, because I mean the turnaround for this whole travel, like let's just quickly recap that, you call me Friday, probably, I don't know around like noon my time, something like that, by 4 o'clock.
Speaker 1:I have tickets purchased and I'm dropping my dog off by 4 am my time, which was 2 am California time. We're up and headed to the airport. Our flight leaves at like 540, something like that.
Speaker 1:Uh, or maybe even a little earlier, we get to Burbank at like 8 30 california time and, uh, it's like go get ready for the show, go grab some lunch that was all awesome and then head to the rose bowl, which I've never been to the rose bowl. So I mean, that was both an amazing experience and a completely garbage experience.
Speaker 2:And like you said, we'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Uh, watch the show, and then get back to the hotel that night, crash, get up at seven California time and jump back on a flight and I was home by I think I mean the whole thing was like less than 48 hours, you know, and it was a whirlwind trip. So, uh, that was pretty crazy. But the show itself, I mean it was amazing. You know, I, I mean I expected it to be amazing. So there's that, and I've seen Noel a couple of times with you actually.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Once in San Francisco and then once in Oakland.
Speaker 2:Oakland, yeah the Fox.
Speaker 1:At the Fox, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm familiar with their music. Of course you know more so their earlier material, you know. I wouldn't say that I know the full catalog by heart or anything like that, but what was so cool about it is one just seeing them together because I've never seen Liam before.
Speaker 1:I've seen him in videos, I've seen him in interviews, I've seen him you know, concert footage but I've never seen him live in the way that I've seen Noel. And a few things caught me by surprise, actually, like for as much as I've listened to their music and I know that noel's a great singer because I've heard his solo stuff and seen him live I didn't realize just how much oasis material featured noel as the primary singer, like I knew he sang background yeah, oh, yeah, amazing singer oh yeah, he's incredible that.
Speaker 1:So that's not to take anything away from him, but I just I was kind of surprised because the show felt almost 50 50 between them, maybe not quite, maybe like 60 40, but there were quite a few moments that were focused around noel's voice and I found that to be interesting. Um, so that was one thing. At the visuals and the show were simple but incredible, so like they didn't have a bunch of like really crazy lights. Obviously they're not a band that's gonna have background dancers and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:No, thank God yeah.
Speaker 1:But they've got this gigantic video display behind them. I mean, it's like unlike any video display I think I've ever seen and I've seen some pretty spectacular shows and they were mixing in all these cool graphics, but really it was just highlighting what was happening on stage. Yeah, it was mesmerizing, but also simple enough, which seems weird because when you see it it's kind of breathtaking, but it wasn't distracting from what was happening at all, which I thought was really good. Everyone there seemed to be having an amazing time. The Rose Bowl is huge, huge, so it was cool just hearing that many people sing those songs. Also, my wife doesn't really know oasis.
Speaker 2:You know she knows wonderwall because everyone knows, wonderwall yeah um, she knows uh don't cry in anger, or champagne, supernova, or I don't know that she even knows that one.
Speaker 1:She may, she may know that song, um, so she's familiar with them. You know I talk about them, um, and so she knows some of the background. She knows the brothers have been at odds and that they were a huge deal. We, you know we got to go through they. They had an exhibit there, like this truck trailer that has this whole sort of museum type thing in it.
Speaker 1:So you see some of their platinum records or memorabilia from over the years, handwritten lyrics, awards, all that kind of stuff. So she was able to see all that before the show and that kind of gave her some was able to see all that before the show and I kind of gave her some context, you know, as to what she was walking into and the level of expectation that the audience was going to have. But it's cool seeing her get to experience that and probably what better way to get introduced to a band like?
Speaker 1:oh my god, yeah then just to see him live just yeah screw it. I got you know, let's just go see it. Yeah, um, so that was all incredible and super fun. Liam sounded great. Noel sounded great. Uh, the whole band was locked.
Speaker 1:They played the hits you know there was a couple songs that you maybe could I mean for them what's a deep cut? I mean, there's such a popular band that it's almost hard to determine that, but I would say a handful of those songs were deeper cuts, yeah maybe at least for the us, for the?
Speaker 2:u that was going to say the us one is definitely one and and we were talking about a couple of them like. But upon reflection I started looking at the set list again and realized that there was something pretty special Like opening the opening the show with Hello makes sense. It's like we're back, here we are. That was what the second record, that was the opening song on the second record, and they're like hey, the band that you love to hate, we're back again. Here we go, it's good to be back.
Speaker 2:Like in the song they do Acquiesce, which is really to me and I think for most people that know that band, it really feels personal about Liam and Noel and sort of getting back together. You know we need each other, we believe in one another. You know, like the lyrics of that song really kind of make a statement about them deciding to do this again. Uh, because it did honestly feel for 15 years that it was not going to happen. They just seemed to be really at odds with each other. So yeah, as you start looking at some of those songs, don't look back in anger again. That became a statement song after the terrible thing that happened in manchester at that ariana grande show people.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, fell in love with that song again because it became an and it is now an anthem for manchester as well, as live forever, like that's another one that throughout these last several shows they've been dedicating that to all the crazy tragedies that have happened all over the world. So the song started really showing up and having meaning for people in a time where it seems to be, you know, somewhat unraveling or chaotic, if you will. Yeah, I think it was just a statement of love and brotherhood and getting back together and but to go back to the point about the deep cuts, like um, a song like little by little that's out I think that's on heathen chemistry, a song that's kind of later in their catalog that's still a huge song.
Speaker 2:But that's a massive song, yeah, and it was a massive song in the uk and I was telling you as we're watching I'm like this is like a huge song in their homeland. The Master Plan, that's another one that was for US audience, probably a deeper cut For the UK audience. Again. Another incredibly big song Talk Tonight. I think is a very intimate song and I think that was. You know that one's a cool one.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that that's the one song that has been looping in my head since the show, and that was almost a week ago now. Yeah, six days ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, by the time that we're shooting this episode not exactly sure when it will come out, but yeah, I mean that's you know. Know, almost a week later, that song keeps popping up in my head. Yeah, beautiful lyrics, a very simple song, great story behind it. I think you know there's a lot of history about them really having a hard time cracking in the us. Obviously, the videos and the things had some play, and those big, huge songs that we talked about, like I mean Supersonic, live Forever, wonderwall, don't Look Back All those songs did get them a lot of popularity in the US, but when they would come to play here it always seems to be like some kind of Murphy's Law situation.
Speaker 2:It was just never quite up to what they were able to accomplish in the uk and I I just as a fan, I was so excited to be able to get to see them have success in the way that they deserve. I mean being able to pull off selling out a rose bowl long past what people might consider their heyday, if you will. Oh, and two nights in a row. And two nights in a row, which is just incredible to be able to witness, and, like I said, vip experience. Let's unpack that one for a second. So I'll start in reverse. So I'll start in reverse on the floor, very close a private sort of viewing space for these vip ticket holders, very close to the stage, right in the center. We couldn't have had a better seat, unless we really wanted to get at the very front, um, but we had plenty of room to push up there. Oh yeah. Yeah, it wasn't so packed that we couldn't have done that. Yeah, had we wanted to, but we had plenty of room to push up there.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, it wasn't so packed that we couldn't have done that you had we wanted to, but we're like right, right where the sound guys are, which, yeah, the triangle. For those who know, know, you know the closest you are to where they're doing sound. That's going to be the best audio in the house typically yeah.
Speaker 2:So from that, from that aspect of it, from the moment that we got into the venue itself, it was great. And I do want to say to kind of back up a little bit yeah, I wasn't familiar with cast.
Speaker 2:I know there's a lot of fans that know, about them and, of course, their history about being in the band called the laws that did. There she goes. Their bass player was from that. So if you know that song, yeah, the bass player form cast from the laws, I believe, or so I might be getting that, uh, a bit of history messed up, but he is part, or was part, of that band. Um, and that, obviously, that big song, um kj elephant I'm a massive fan of. I have a big shout out for that band. They were incredible they. They just put on such a great live show and if you are familiar with them great you would know if you're not, they crushed it.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, they're a band that I've been aware of for a long time and, being at the show, I recognized a couple of the songs, which is cool, but I was pretty blown away. Yeah, I mean they're really fun and their singer is a great showman. I mean the whole band was great, I don't mean to diminish anyone else, but yeah, I mean he was getting it great.
Speaker 2:I don't mean to diminish anyone else, but yeah, I mean he was getting it. Oh yeah, yeah, he's just. I mean you can imagine playing in front of that many people, even if you're a pretty successful band I mean, they play theaters and things like that, and they played large venues as well but I would imagine even for me going up and standing in front of 9 000 people, I would probably just collapse with nerves, you know. So to be able to pull it off and deliver a show like that was incredible.
Speaker 1:The bigger the show is, the more impersonal it is. Yeah, because you can't see anybody, you know, yeah, that's true, that is true.
Speaker 2:So KJ Elephant incredible. Go see them. They're a freaking amazing band live. Yeah, totally, let's back up. So before we get into the venue we had a VIP lounge. Of course, overpriced beers. We walk out of that. You have nice little tall boy Lagunitas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think two 16-ounce cans of margaritas. Yeah, yeah $42.
Speaker 2:Wow. To hell with yeah, rose Bowl. I think you paid for yourself.
Speaker 1:I was like we paid extra for this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what is? This is VIP y'all. So we're about to go into the floor and they stop us and say you can't have any cans down here on the floor. On the floor and like couldn't you have just told us that five minutes ago when we were over here? Like wouldn't somebody have thought to do that?
Speaker 1:so we have to go to a special station. You can have cans anywhere anywhere else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just on the floor.
Speaker 1:You only can't have it in the vip area.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so very bizarre but sure, again, strange rule. So you get your amazing 23 dollar uh ipa into a plastic cup which was just kind of topping off what we had already dealt with in the afternoon. So prior to going in.
Speaker 1:It's like the cup is this big and this much of the foam is foam. It's like my beer immediately goes flat. Yeah, it's just garbage. It's like come on, guys Like the cup is this big and this much of the cup is foam. It's like my beer immediately goes flat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just garbage. It's like come on, guys, we already just spent all this crazy money on a beer. You can't Seriously, anyway. But as I say, and that was just topping off already At that point I realized, yeah, you are done, because we get there. We had VIP tickets, so we have to go to a special tent to get checked in. Not a single person that was supporting the venue at all had any idea at all.
Speaker 2:There you're supposed to go to will call, which is on the opposite side of where we were a lot of a lot of people and no one seemed to know. So we just finally said, okay, I'm going to trust the instructions on the email. We're going to go where they told us to go and voila, that's where we were supposed to be to get our tickets. But that's an hour later and walking all over this venue trying to find the right place to go, and this wasn't just us. This was everybody, it's super hot, Super hot yeah. About 94, 95 degrees right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's in the 90s and there's barely any shade anywhere outside of there. You know there was a couple of moments at a time where we'd be in shade, but otherwise we're huffing it around everywhere. I mean, I didn't look at my watch, you know I've got the fitness tracking stuff, so I I'm sure it was a lot of steps and so you know I'm pretty acclimated to tennessee now and it gets hot out here. You know it's very common to be in the 90s but it's humid, which sucks, don't get me wrong. But when you go it's like a few hours ago I was in full humidity and now I'm in the desert of pasadena, basically, yeah, and 90 degrees. Like my nose and sinuses were so dry and raw. Yeah, that was that's when I started realizing I'm not California acclimated anymore.
Speaker 2:Because I've never felt that way in Southern California my whole life.
Speaker 1:I've always felt very at home there.
Speaker 2:But that was different. Yeah, it was hot for sure, but anyway, let's just say, to summarize all that, the outside getting in was a complete disaster. Very disorganized, not anyone, just didn't know. You would think they would have had a team meeting and go okay, here's the whole run of show, here's what you guys need to be doing. There's these kind of event things happening. There's some VIP stuff. Here's what's going to happen at each venue or each area, if you will, outside of the venue. But no, that wasn't, that wasn't at all the plan. It was like oh, where am I supposed to go? I don't know. And you could hear people are just as you're walking by, people are all feeling the same thing. Then post show getting out of there. And I think we got really lucky with this one, because there were so many instagram posts about people making jokes, like their boss calling them four days later and they're like I'm so sorry, I'm still stuck in an uber at the rose bowl, trying to get out of the saturday night oasis show.
Speaker 1:I was blown away at how fast we got out of the.
Speaker 2:That was by the power of grace 20 minutes maybe, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, it was remarkable. I don't know how we did it. I have no idea I don't either.
Speaker 1:I think we did get lucky I was expecting it to be a multiple hour deal yeah but uh, just to back up, so it's like you know our instructions say you know, get there at whatever 2, 2, 30irties when they start five, two, thirty, something like that, yeah so we go, we, we get through all that nonsense of people telling us to go every which way except for the right way, excuse me and uh, so we finally find where we're supposed to be and then, uh, we wait in that line, we get all of our, you know, wristbands and all that stuff that you need to have, and then it's like, cool, now go wait in this other line to get in. We're like, oh, okay, well, what time does that open so we can actually go inside? Oh, like two and a half hours from now, yeah. So we're like, wait, what? What is VIP?
Speaker 2:about that yeah.
Speaker 1:And the line was so long that VIP line was unbelievably long Because it didn't have.
Speaker 2:as you pointed out, not everybody in that line was VIP, it was just there was a gate entry, that was it. There was no special VIP line no, not at all. Which is what we thought was going to be we were wrapped around out into the parking lot into god knows where, a mile away, yeah, just standing in the sun getting beat down.
Speaker 1:so by the time we get in, you know we've got maybe like 30 minutes until the show starts, yeah. And so I'm thinking cool, they've got this lounge inside that we're going to get to hang out at. You know they've got all this stuff. By the time we get in there, we go to the lounge, there's not a single seat available. Right, it's a tiny lounge.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:To sell that as a VIP experience is sad.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Rose Bowl. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's enough to maybe fit 50 people in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and not all of it was shaded Right, so the only seats that were open was one table that was in just full beat down sun Beat down sun. Yeah, and that's where we get our crazy expensive beers and we're like well, there's no place to sit.
Speaker 1:We might as well go, you know's gonna start soon. Let's go ahead and go in, let's check out where we're gonna be, let's grab our spot, and so we're walking on in and then get yelled at that. You can't take a can in there. That's where that whole thing happens and then pour our beer out goes flat. My wife and I I mean the other part of it is one yeah, we've been standing in the sun for hours, but also by the local time, we've been up since 2 am and only slept four hours, oh yeah, before that.
Speaker 2:So we're already feeling it.
Speaker 1:Tired and just going. Can we just catch a break here? It feels like everything that we've tried to do since we got here has just been like roadblock after roadblock, after someone telling us the wrong thing. I'm like we just got these beers 30 seconds ago. Could the bartender not have told us that we needed a cup, or just put it in a cup? Yeah, like would that have been too much to ask, but they didn't know. So we went back there and they were surprised. They said, oh like, no one, no one mentioned that.
Speaker 2:No one informed us yeah.
Speaker 1:For our, for our next round, happily put it in a cup.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Still charges $42, but yeah, the cup.
Speaker 2:The cup is complimentary. Jay, it's complimentary. Yeah, that was VIP Um but, any, but anywho, I will say this really quick Before we move on To something else. Let me Hold tight. Yeah we did get some pretty cool swag.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I wanted to at least show a couple of that. So I'm like I'm pretty blown away with it. There's a like a football you know scarf that has the Oasis stuff on it. There are, of course, a lanyard. You have this like really nice sort of lithograph, uh, hand signed print.
Speaker 1:um, some guitar picks are in here, right, just real quick, because those who are watching on youtube, obviously you can see what's going on, but if you're just listening to this as part of the vip, there were really only two things in hindsight that were truly VIP about our experience, and one was the spot that we got to stand and watch the show. Yeah, that was well worth it on its own, oh yeah, but every VIP ticket got a bag, a goodie bag, basically yeah, um and so it. It includes the, the actual bag itself, a clear plastic tote, which is awesome, because then you can take that to other shows, sporting events or whatever places that require, you know, transparent bags, but it's filled with all kinds of really cool stuff, like well he already mentioned the scarf.
Speaker 1:Uh, but this thing here.
Speaker 2:That's you can see if you're on the video. This is probably really cool. It's super heavy. A cassette tape with their logo and stuff on there as well on a keychain, it's really cool stainless steel.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming stainless steel. It feels like it feels like it's heavier than aluminum. Uh, shiny cassette tape that has oasis on it, but it's a key chain that went right on my key chain.
Speaker 2:It's so cool. But, needless to say, like I said, I've gotten to see them four or five times. That was by far the biggest stage I've gotten to see them in, really happy for them, for the success they're having, especially in the States, so proud to be able to welcome them in the success they're having, especially in the states, so proud to be able to welcome them in the way that they deserve. And yeah, it was a truly just a, an incredible show and walking out we get to see james hepfield. So that was kind of yeah, it was also cool I forgot about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, james hepfield is right there in his cowboy hat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there were a ton of celebrities that we find out. I find out later if I go and scroll and you know instagram there was a ton of people that were there. You got billy, eilish and phineas down there with their mom, uh, in our section that we're singing and having fun, so there were people that you might not have imagined. Yeah, maybe an oasis fan, but I mean it's los angeles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, of course you're gonna have some of that, yeah paul mccartney was there really, paul, that's kind of a weird head trip for me really, because you have a guy makes total sense to me you have a guy who basically is of course oasis, I would say, has a good wink to the beatles or to or the definitely the sort of beatles aesthetic, if you will, and you have paul there, um, seeing them, which I, I would say you know for british music, and again, I could be completely off base here. But I do think from my perspective they were probably as big in their time as the Beatles might have been in their time, and so it was just kind of interesting to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just interesting to me to see a Beatle see an Oasis Liverpool versus Manchester situation.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Paul versus Manchester situation.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, but watching him filming the show, like on the Instagram post you see him like filming the show I was like that's really cool. That's really cool and just happy that Paul was there. I don't know if he enjoyed the show or not, who knows but I'm sure he did.
Speaker 1:Oh, he must have. I mean, it would be you'd have to be trying Not to really enjoy it, To not have fun Like you would have had to make up your mind. I'm not having fun at this show.
Speaker 2:It's not. I don't even want to be here.
Speaker 1:I don't care how good it is, I'm not going to enjoy it Because just catching the vibe from everyone that's there, I mean it was a blast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pogoing to cigarettes and alcohol and watching 90,000 people jumping up and down, that's rad, you've got to be kidding.
Speaker 1:It was awesome, dude, it was awesome. And two other things I wanted to ask you about Liam, because clearly I haven't seen him before, but all the times that I've seen video I always get the feeling from both brothers really there is a bit of a cheeky side to them, but they seem to take themselves fairly seriously and maybe that's more noel than liam yeah, but I felt like during the show liam was really funny, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh yeah, and I didn't know if that's like maybe, as they've gotten a little bit older, that they've loosened up a little bit.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:And aren't so rock star? Whatever you want to call that, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:I wasn't expecting him to be so loose, yeah, and you know he's just like goofy stuff, like not just cracking jokes. I mean, he did a little bit of that too, but you know his tambourine on top of his head and signature stuff, stuff like that that I'm going.
Speaker 1:I I felt like as a fan and as an audience member that made it even more fun for me, because you're laughing and you're singing and you're I don't know it. It wasn't just like a it. It feels like an oxymoron to say buttoned up rock star performance, but I'm sure you've seen shows like that too, right where it's like it's all the image and it's all gotta be a certain way.
Speaker 1:And those are cool too. I I don't I don't mean to throw shade at anybody, but yeah, a band like them, I mean they're coming back. You would almost think they'd be just reveling in their own glory.
Speaker 2:So to see them kind of taking the piss out of it a little bit was was cool to see I think that's them in general, but I will say something that was really telling to me and I I absolutely I got a little teary about it. I didn't even tell you this, but there's a moment where liam kind of at the end, he's like thanks so much for sticking with us all this time. I know we're not the easiest people to be able to tolerate in the way, and I'm paraphrasing to be fans, how I said to be fans.
Speaker 2:You know we can be challenging at times and we know that, but we just appreciate you. So it was such an authentic and earnest comment, you know, and it really just framed up exactly how he felt and you can see it on all their instagram stuff. Post the shows. Yeah, how excited I think they legitimately also were, like we did it. We finally were able to achieve something that we've we always knew we could do here but, from whatever circumstances, we're really never able to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:You know, to kind of put into perspective, you see them do shows at like wembley, or those big shows with like 250 000 people in the uk, that heathen chemistry tour when I got to see them it was at the hard rock in orlando. So think about how different. Yeah, do you know what I mean? Yeah, like, and it was a big. You know it was a pretty sold out show, but again, you're only talking about 1500 people versus people versus 250,000, you know. So for them to get their due, I think in that space was really cool. And, yes, I agree, liam's super funny, but the funny this time isn't really about them poking fun at other people.
Speaker 1:He did make a little jab at Coldplay but I think that's all a good fun. But I don't know that it was as much at Coldplay as it was just that whole Kiss Cam scenario, this Kiss Cam stuff. Yeah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but yeah, his storytelling, all that kind of stuff was funny Him, you know, poking at his brother a little bit throughout. It was just a really great celebration of music and love in the most honest way from a band that you can say what you wish most honest way. From a band that you can say what you wish. They write incredibly great music that people enjoy and that stood up for 30 years. It stood the test of time and it will continue to do that. Those are massive anthemic songs, um, that people just enjoy. So it was just great.
Speaker 1:It was really fun well, and on that note, I I think probably the last takeaway that I really had watching the show was like and you know this about me, but as a songwriter, I constantly sort of find myself trying to toe this line between, uh, all you really need is cowboy cords and you should push beyond that to do something quote, unquote better, cooler, I don't know more complicated, whatever, like. Sometimes it feels a little bit, uh, rudimentary or um, I don't know like you can get in your own head about. Is this idea cool enough? Because it's just gcd, right or whatever, right, right, right.
Speaker 1:And uh, I'm watching them play all these songs back to back, huge hit songs, and most of the night noel is literally there and cowboy chord, open position chords, yep, and I and I know this because you know I I've learned oasis songs. Anyone who's played guitars learned wonderwall at one point. You know, like in the silver echo, you know we covered what's the story Morning Glory at our very first show. Yeah, so it's like. I know that these songs are kind of written that way, but just seeing that many great songs back to back that way really was a good reminder to me of what I always know is true, because all of my heroes write songs that way, you know whether it's Tom Petty, tom Petty being probably the biggest one.
Speaker 1:But you know, like just remembering that, if it, if the song works with just that and its simplicity, then it's probably a good song and it doesn't need to be too indulgent. That doesn't mean that then taking that and being creative with it is not a good idea. I don't mean that or that. If you write a complicated arrangement or if you don't play cowboy chords, then it's not a good song. That's the other extreme. That, I feel like, is not true. Yeah, but it was a good, just a good reminder that you can do a whole lot with very little. And then it's much more about the attitude and much more about the intention and the passion and the uh, the moxie whatever you want to call it that you put into what it is that you're doing that makes it special. It's not the I don't know $20 fancy cord that you hit or any of that.
Speaker 1:Those things all can they have their place and they can be special and they can add something extra. But being able to focus on just in a simplicity is it great. They are a perfect example of a band who knows how to do that really well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and really largely made a career on it. To be honest, you mentioned something that was really funny. It's a good transition. When you talk about attitude, you know those brothers came up with the swagger untouchable swagger, honestly and their commentary kind of lived up to that space. From right out of the gate they just they're like no, we're the best band in the world, that's that. And now we have somebody that's getting a lot of attention through social media, through television, youngblood and I know a lot of people have been kind of on this kick with him.
Speaker 2:I'm not super familiar, I think honestly I was introduced to him at the Aussie Tribute Show, same, and that was probably the first time I heard him. And then you sent me a cover, of course, of another favorite band of mine, the Verve. You sent the cover he did of Bittersweet Symphony and he's a good singer. I think he's really great. He has a bill, he has got that Billy Idol kind of you know curled lip thing going on, yeah and um, and he's expressive, you know, and he he says what he feels is on his mind. But I think a lot of people are taking that now as maybe non-authentic or perhaps maybe he's putting on airs, if you will, to create this image that might attract fans or people. But I'll go on the merits of his voice. I think he's a great singer. He sounds good to me.
Speaker 2:I don't have a ton of critique about it yet because I've really not dug into it. So maybe I'll go back and see and listen to his stuff. But I did watch a performance on the VMAs, the Ozzy tribute there. I didn't have much issue with it. I saw it today, we talked about it and I was like, okay, I'll go check it out. He's up there with Nuno from extreme and uh, you know the guys and Steven yeah.
Speaker 2:And yeah, I mean he held his own. It sounded good to me. I just didn't think much about the pomp and circumstance of it, but maybe there's something more to explore there.
Speaker 1:Well yeah it, but maybe there's something more to explore there. Well, yeah, I mean, I I thought it was an interesting conversation that's popped up because, um, he's another british artist and so I think he's more well known there than he is here. Uh, for you and I and probably a lot of people here in the us, when they did the the aussie farewell show, he kind of surprised a lot of people, you know he. He did changes and really sold out. Yeah, um, and I don't mean like like the negative sold out, I mean like for the performance, really gave it his all. No, he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And uh, and I was like, wow, I mean this is pretty good. And then, you know, I'd seen a couple other little clips and had seen different clips of him with Ozzy.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it seemed as though Ozzy knew him, and you know, I think.
Speaker 2:Ozzy took him under his bat wing and you, you know, groomed him, maybe because at least young bloods, from his perspective, he looked to ozzy as a mentor, at least from what I've been able to hear or see, just from clips, you know well, that's kind of what it seemed like to me and I didn't know enough of the backstory.
Speaker 1:And then this vma performance comes out and there was quite a few clips of young blood, uh, on the red carpet being interviewed and talking about different things, and I think some of this starting to rub people the wrong way a little bit, um, and I I kind of, I kind of get it. If I'm looking at it from the perspective of not really knowing who he is and just hearing his voice, I think I mean the guy is super talented, yeah, um, but then I, you know, like we both like Justin Hawkins from the darkness and he's got a.
Speaker 1:YouTube channel. He was talking about it and I I feel like a lot of what he has to say. I see why he's saying it. I also think maybe he's a bit unfair in his assessment.
Speaker 1:Um, perhaps maybe not, but you know his he brought up something interesting, which is that, um, he seems to be and I'm paraphrasing right, I'm not speaking on justin's behalf, but yeah, uh but that he's kind of writing the that moment from that last show and positioning himself as sort of like the heir to the aussie to the throne, if you will yeah, but he really has no connection to aussie and Black Sabbath and all the history that went into that, the way that a lot of other artists have um and that he's sort of writing the coattails of that, and then even in the way that he's presenting himself to the media and whatnot, um seems to be a bit inauthentic, especially when you look at and this was new to me, I didn't know this, but he's the like you know british equivalent of, uh, a disney kid, basically okay so he has that sort of background pedigree, if you will, yeah yeah, like Like I saw a clip of him doing a song that you know clearly targeted more towards, you know, a younger audience and not nearly as provocative, let's say, as maybe something Ozzy would have done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they show that during one of Justin Hawkins videos and you know they're kind of making the joke.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, this, this really reminds me of Black Sabbath yeah yeah, and so really, what it brought up to me more than anything is this whole topic of, like, uh, authenticity and finding yourself, and the reason why I take a little bit of issue with what what Justin was pointing out even though he's fair to be pointing it out is, I think, that so anyone who has gone through a period of really trying to find themselves, you end up overdoing it at times, I think, sure, and you end up in trying to find what's really you. Sometimes you push it a little far and you have to be reined in. If I imagine myself in that situation, maybe, maybe I started off as a disney kid I didn't but hypothetically right, I'd be in a much nicer apartment right now.
Speaker 1:I would certainly hope so yeah, uh, not that my place is bad, but you know what I mean. Yeah, um, yeah, like if I, if I came up that way, kind of like miley cy Cyrus is a good example, right, of someone who really rejected that part of their lives and said like I don't know exactly how she feels about it, but it seems to me that she feels as though that was not the brightest part of her life and maybe she's grateful for the opportunity that it presented. But you know, she really went through this hard pivot to say I'm not your princess, I'm not your role model, even I'm an artist, yeah, and I'm here to explore a lot of different things.
Speaker 1:and I think she kind of over corrected at that period, maybe you know, thinking about like the wrecking ball era you know, the nude show, the nude shows yeah, I mean you go from party in the usa to wrecking ball to then like eventually kind of settling in somewhere in the middle, um, which is like what feels like her authentic self and I don't know, because I don her right. We're all going off of perception, which is also what makes this whole thing tough.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I mean, I can see why he might really have Redby drinking the Kool-Aid of the moment, so to speak. You know, maybe getting a little drunk off of that. Getting a little drunk off of that, um, and uh, uh, I think he's super talented, so I would, you know, I'm not voting for him to fail by any stretch, um, but I think it's. It's an interesting topic, right, and like what, what really turns people off and what feels inauthentic and why, and you know, like Justin's 50, I think he said in his video yeah, he comes from a perspective, I think, of really wanting to uh it, uh, maybe protect the legacy of the heroes that he grew up with, because, like I grew up with ozzy and with black sabbath, but in a different way than someone who's in their fifties did Much closer to it happening, right, and it becoming what it turned into by the time that I found it right.
Speaker 1:Right, you know I'm 35, but still, I mean 15 years makes a big difference. Yeah, and and also maybe from feeling a little bit like someone of his generation should be the heir as opposed to. I got that vibe from his video. I don't know if he would agree with that or if I'm even right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Thinking, like you know, there's this young guy who's coming up who really has no connection to the early days of this, no connection to the early days of this, who is kind of positioning himself as the guy who's going to take over and and be the next Aussie or whoever be, the next generation rock star that carries that torch. It's like are you even the best person to carry it? Like you don't. You don't really have a connection to that legacy, other than you came in at the very tail end and he showed you some generosity and now you're kind of leveraging that to in a way that maybe feels bad to people who have been in the game a long time sure, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I think, looking at that, my take on it is people are going to find themselves and find a journey. He's young, young. He's got a great voice behind him, so that's great. Obviously there are people around him that recognize it and can help him maybe market to something that they feel like is going to capitalize on a moment in time. I would never want to capitalize on anyone's passing, ever, but obviously there is a connection there. Ozzy seemed to have mentored him, helped him along the way, gave him some great sound advice, hopefully. But I agree that he could be on a journey of rediscovery and figuring himself out.
Speaker 2:As we've seen with Lady Gaga, billie Eilish, miley, there's countless ones where they're all trying to find who they are and maybe they started from a thing and they're grateful for that thing because it did give them something else. Justin Timberlake is another one. Like yeah, yeah, you know, but eventually, through the course of their their arc, if you will they start to find a little bit more about who they are, what they want to do, because the justin from maybe mickey mouse club or in sync would never do like the lonely island. You know, dick in a box, you know I mean like right. So he got comfortable with himself somewhere in that space. I think lady gaga now is definitely found, who she is, what she wants to do, and okay to change characters from album to album, because now people can expect that from her and say, ah, okay, but you don't take away anything from the talent itself If you strip all of the like I said earlier, the pomp and circumstance around all of it. Let's just go to Youngblood as a singer and a performer. Can he sing? Absolutely, can he perform? Yeah, I don't know if he plays guitar or whatever he may or I don't know, but as far as his instrument he's a great singer. The performance on the VMAs sounded great to me.
Speaker 2:As a huge Ozzy and Black Sabbath fan, I'm not disappointed by it. I do understand people might feel as though who is this guy? Who does he think he is? He's 20-something years old, he doesn't know Ozzy and they're putting those things on him perhaps.
Speaker 2:And so when your public is maybe putting these things on you or putting that sort of label on you, or he's not authentic, he's this, he's that, he's all that you know, maybe at a point you know if you're 20, 25, I don't know how old he is. You're grappling with what you should be. How should you respond? I do like fandom and I want to continue to grow my art. But how do I respond in this world where everybody thinks I'm this or that and at some point you just kind of put up your middle finger and go? I got to find me and I got to figure out who I am? I go back to Liam like that. He all those clips in the beginning of this concert when we went to Oasis, it's all these like headlines, these terrible headlines about all the things that they've done in their illustrious career and I can imagine if Young Bud makes it you know, 30 years he's probably going to have a ton of those headlines, right?
Speaker 2:Amy Winehouse, it's another one. It's like they. She just gets under the tidal wave, kurt Cobain, under the tidal wave of fandom and the expectations of all those things, and it does have sad consequences, especially from those last two people I mentioned. Yeah, you know. So I kind of want to give him a moment to breathe through it and go let's see what comes out the other side. Once some of this maybe quiets down and we're a little bit further removed from the passing of ozzy, let's see what happens to him. Then I I go back to, well, I'll transition into something talking about mammoth like.
Speaker 2:Or wolfie wolfgang van halen again, imagine if you know you were lucky enough to play with your dad in Van Halen. That's incredible on its own right. That whole family. I don't even understand how they were so talented. It's incredible to me because Wolfgang is just an insanely great musician and if you've not heard his records, he plays everything on them. It's like Prince Plays everything on these records with flawless precision. But then you kind of look at it and go well, of course he does, because his uncle and his dad were phenomenal right, and their parents and his grandfather, and his grandfather Also an incredible musician.
Speaker 1:So you just go, man, there's something in the blood for sure with them.
Speaker 2:But he also needed to figure out and he had to get out of the wake under his dad's legacy. And of course people keep pulling him into the well A Van Halen tribute here, or a Taylor Hawkins tribute in which they do a Van Halen song because Taylor loved Van Halen Like he gets pulled into the mix and he's like he's like oh man, do you want me to do hop for teach, okay, or I gotta learn these songs.
Speaker 1:So I imagine there's a pressure like taking down his.
Speaker 2:You know watching old performances of his uncle playing drums right and playing drums, trying to play some of those things you, you know.
Speaker 1:Commentary on what it was like.
Speaker 2:So people put the thing on him. It's like, well, yeah, you're the spokesperson for your dad and your uncle. Yeah, you know, and the whole legacy of Van Halen is kind of left on your shoulders. He didn't ask for that. In fact, he's trying to do his own thing. Like listening to his albums, they sound nothing like Van Halen whatsoever. Like listening to his albums, they sound nothing like van halen whatsoever. But his playing and the precision of his, of his work is definitely like eddie. Yeah, it is 100 there, and so if you dig in and I encourage people who might be a fan of van halen, ignore the, you know the great david lee roth or sammy hagar. Just go into the music for a second. If you can appreciate their music and what Eddie did, go listen to his son. He is fantastic and, oh, by the way, an insanely great singer too. It's almost unfair. The guy rips on guitar. He's a phenomenal singer. He can play his ass off on drums and he plays bass too.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, dude, you got me. I thought I was okay, but I'm marginal in comparison.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah writes a song and he rips all those crazy guitar parts on acoustic. I don't know if you've ever seen any of his acoustic performances, but he's like tapping his balls off. You know acoustic guitar.
Speaker 2:it's so awesome yeah, I think this song's called the end or whatever one of the new tracks on the record. Just go listen to the guitar part on that and he's got an instagram clip of him playing it. Yeah, on his dad's old franken uh, strat, priceless, so great. I'm so happy for him. But that's another one that I can imagine, like young bug has had to figure his way through maybe an unfair perspective from the public about who he should be, what he should do, what he should look like, how he should act. Don't do van halen songs. You're not eddie. Do van halen songs because you're his son. It's in your blood, you know. It's like Jesus, who knows what you should do, how you should think. But I'm happy for him that he's kind of figured out his own lane, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's funny that you bring up those examples, because they really are two different sides of a coin or represent two different approaches, because you've got one who's clinging to a legacy and ozzy is not youngblood's dad, so that that that makes the situation a little different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is different but you've got youngblood, really like clinging to the legacy of ozzy and trying to embody more of that. And then you've got wolf, who is trying to distance himself, not to distance the family, but to distance the art, and say like I'm my own thing. Both approaches are OK, because there's a lot of people who, I think, get disappointed that the Wolfgang isn't more of like what maybe Dweezil Zappa represents, frank Zappa's legacy Like someone who's there to kind of be the historian and the someone who's there to like kind of keep that alive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but man, I don't know that anyone needs to keep Van Halen alive. That stuff ain't going anywhere. No God, no I totally understand him wanting to say like hey, I have my own thing. Like yeah, what they did was incredible and it doesn't need me, you know yeah and what I need to do is something different.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, really interesting yeah, I I do find all of that stuff really interesting and again, as I'm getting older, I'm less, I'm less likely to rip on anybody for just trying to figure it out. I think we all are on a journey to figure things out from time to time and we've all we've all probably had our own sort of pressures or influences that have made us think we should be or shouldn't be a thing or a person or a persona of something. So I'm going to give young blood some grace here and let him figure out like what. So I'm going to give Youngblood some grace here and let him figure out what his journey is going to be and maybe, if he continues to pull on that string a little, I might shift my perspective. But it's too early for me and I'm not informed about enough of his stuff to really know.
Speaker 2:But what I've heard, solely on the merits of his singing he's a great singer and totally I wish him well, you know. And same for wolf, like, come on, that guy, holy moly, it's just remarkable, speaking of another remarkable musician, and I think it would be remiss. We didn't get to talk about this the last time, but, um, you know, I know you were a big mastodon fan I had, I definitely like mastodon um. And we lost another great vocalist, guitar player, songwriter in brett, heinz um, just to a terrible, unfortunate thing. You know, and I'm sure that community and certainly his, his family, his friends, his old bandmates I know he had stepped away from Mastodon shortly before all that happened at least if I'm understanding that correctly and again just a terrible tragedy that leaves kind of a hole in that world, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean yeah, it's a bummer topic like. The whole thing is really sad to me, not just because we lost him, but because of the circumstances. Um, I am a really big mastodon fan and I got into them what at the time felt like really late, which now has been quite a long time ago yeah and their crack, the Sky record came out. Yeah, and that remains my favorite record of theirs, but he had such an incredible voice.
Speaker 1:Like his voice is what got me into that band, because they're unique in the sense that they have three different people singing vocals in that band.
Speaker 2:That's all. Switch off or sing harmonies or whatever yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they're all really good and different people in different songs, different people in different parts of the songs. You know they treat it just like an instrument. You know in that way. But it was his voice that really suckered me in. I remember hearing Oblivion. Oh, that's a great tune his singing what I was like man, this guy's got it and uh, you know they've been already, you know that's like their fourth album for third or fourth album, yeah, something like that, yeah and uh, you know of course that album, um, you know the uh braunaler started singing, I think started singing on that.
Speaker 1:He might have sang before that, but they started incorporating him more at that point and then forward. Also, that's a great voice of that band. His personality and what he brought through his guitar playing and singing and contributed to that art, I mean it made it so unique and so I I really feel for them and for for the rest of the fans, for myself, in the sense that it when they separated it got kind of ugly there and it never really seemed from the outside perspective anyway, it never seemed to get resolved. Yeah, and there for a little while that that was the case, that was just that. But then he had started kind of coming on and posting some kind of nasty comments, coming at the character of the other band members and coming Just speaking ill of their musical abilities, stuff like that, ill of their musical abilities stuff like that and really just sort of came across as someone who was hurt, you know, had feelings and uh, and I know what that's like.
Speaker 1:You know I know what it's like to have your feelings hurt and to maybe want to lash out or that sort of thing. So it all felt very human to me. Yeah, but most bands you know, we were just talking about a band who was at odds, actual brothers who were at odds with each other for 20 something years. You know who but, they had their opportunity to make it right and get back together and and reunite, and I think about a lot of bands like that who have had their differences.
Speaker 1:You know we talked about van halen um, you know, you could talk about like dream theater is a good one with mike portnoy and queensryche and the jeff tate and the rest of his band, and that got really ugly, super ugly too and it doesn't happen every time, but you always, as a fan, you kind of hold out thinking like it's okay, like it's a rough patch and at some point they're going to get their opportunity to have them back and it's going to be great, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then you know he tragically passes away in a motorcycle accident and it just gutted me because I'm thinking, I mean, the music is part of it, but they leave so much great music behind. I think about it from the human standpoint of that must be so tough to realize that because they must have felt the same way. Yeah, you know, they must have felt like things will play out the way they need to and then we'll have an opportunity to to make it right and get back together or make art again or right, say what we need to say and move on, apologize, whatever yeah so to have him go out so abruptly when things were hanging in that sort of negative space, it and it's just a yeah, it's the whole thing is sad.
Speaker 2:You feel like the book didn't end. You know the chapter is not written and it's not going to be able to be written now in the wake of it. You know, and it's things left unsaid. I don't pretend to know anything about the band dynamics, but you've seen this situation and other things and you go, as a fan, you go. I wish they can work it out.
Speaker 2:We know, as musicians it happens, personal things get in the way and things break, and we've experienced it ourselves, but not at that level, not with a lot of pressure and fans and all this stuff behind it. You know, and it's painful because there you know that there's a brother or a person on the other side of that, that you have a shared connection with that. Really, for whatever thing happens, you know they're hurting too and it's tough and you get into your headspace of, like you know F that person or whatever, and you know lashing out, as you mentioned, and you just go. I just didn't, I just I hate that it turns into that. It shouldn't. You know, being able to respect the legacy and what's there, I think, is really important. I felt heartbroken when Soundgarden broke up in a way. They never really said that, but it was a hiatus if you will.
Speaker 2:And then all of a sudden you see Chris with Audioslave and you go wait what Like this didn't make any sense With the new man or something, and you, just you want to be happy you want to be like okay, I love his singing, but there was a point where I just absolutely regardless of my love for both rage and soundgarden, I just absolutely wanted to push against it because I was angry. I'm like no, soundgarden, they're amazing, they it's like led zeppelin, they have they got another 10 albums in them. Let's just give it time. Yeah, you know, um, and I'm happy that they figured out and got back together and at least did another record before he passed as well. Yeah, and it was exciting.
Speaker 1:That's a really good record too.
Speaker 2:You know, and then you get to see a band like Linkin Park go through a resurgence, and I'm so happy for them too, because all that entire band is gutted was totally gutted by Chester's passing as well and the ugly circumstances of that. I can only imagine. And they come up from the ashes like a phoenix, with Emily singing with them in a completely reimagined way from what they are, and they've introduced and built a whole new fan base with them again. It's like a whole start, a new start for them, well from zero.
Speaker 1:I mean, go look at the history of that and what it meant for them.
Speaker 2:I think that was his first, I think Mike called that, I think it was his first band or I think that was the name of the band, the first band before it became sort of Linkin Park Again, I could be screwing that up, so, apologies, I'm not the music historian so my memory might not serve me well. But regardless of that, what a great thing to see something like that happen. I think, fans, you're not getting chester back, you're not getting brent back, yeah, but for some way or another to honor that in a special way or in a different way, is there something else on the other side that could still make people remember that, that legacy, while also still doing something and moving forward with the band? And for the fans, you know, and I'm happy that they were able to do that, and I I do sincerely hope Macedon continues on and continues to make incredible music that the fans love and they don't look back at what could have been, but whether what's to come.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean there's no doubt that, I mean, every artist and every individual is unique, but he was Brent, was especially a unique character, and so I I know that he added a lot of flavor to to that soup of what they create, um, but I'm sure they will find someone to uh to step in and they'll, you know, continue to make really great art. Uh, I look forward to that.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, man, crazy, oh yeah yeah, I, um, I'll leave it and I say maybe for another, another time we can dig into some new music that's been out as well and kind of what's been what's been on your rotation. Honestly, it's been a lot of our own music, to be honest, for the better part of the last couple of months, yeah, but you know I have pulled over to have some chance to listen to things like the new black keys record, which was really great. I know you mentioned one that you had been listening to the dorothy record, which was really great as well, that you sent to me.
Speaker 1:yeah, some good stuff yeah, I was pretty blown away by this. I didn't know who dorothy was. I never heard of the band. Um, dorothy is both, I think, the singer and the actual band band. Yeah, um, but they came out with a new record uh, this year I'm looking at it over here called the way um, I heard the song mud first and uh, that's like the third song on it and yeah, what they're doing is super cool.
Speaker 1:I think they're from la um, somewhere in southern california yeah and uh, yeah, I mean they, this is like their third or fourth record, something like that, so I haven't gone fully back through their their catalog yet, but really cool rock, uh rock band, but with it reminds me of like zz ward a bit. Um, it reminds me a bit of uh there was another artist that I was thinking of when I was listening to them um, but yeah, as that sort of like just cool female rock vocal texture without being full uh metal female vocal.
Speaker 2:Oh right, Like what's her face? I can't think of her name right now Hail, Hailstorm.
Speaker 1:Actually, hailstorm is another pretty good parallel. I mean, Lizzy Hale has a little bit more Well, I don't know how I would say that. I mean, lizzy Hale does take it a little bit further than this dorothy record does at times, but uh, but regardless, like comparisons aside, it's a really really good sounding record with cool songs on it, and I really have enjoyed it. Um so, yeah, that's what I have on rotation right now. Yeah, I need to get into and start listening to some more.
Speaker 2:So next, our next episode, we'll talk about some stuff that's in our rotation a little more and go in. I have on rotation right now yeah, I need to get into and start listening to some more. So next, our next episode, we'll talk about some stuff that's in our rotation a little more and go in some go in a little deeper on some new music as well, cause we do listen to a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:A lot of times when we're trying to write for, at least for me, I try to turn things off so I can really get in my own space about what I want to write or what I want to try and do if you're sending me an idea. So I haven't, honestly, dug in as much as I could, um, so I'm I'm kind of eager to kind of get in there and sort of listen to see what, what's new, what's out there where, where are things heading? What what's you know, sounds good to me, um and the. Our tastes are so broad in that space that who knows what I'll come back with, but I promise I'll come back with a really great record next, next round, and something that we can talk about, um, a little more in detail yeah, definitely cool.
Speaker 1:um, well, I guess we'll sign off here. I'll say once again, if you made it this far, thank you. Uh, we appreciate you listening. If you want to stay in contact, you can do that through our YouTube channel, through our X account, our website, of course, sonicalchemycom. If you want to know more about our band, the Silver Echo, you can go to thesilverechocom. Depending on where you're seeing this, you should see links to all that stuff in the description. We appreciate you listening and until next time we'll see you later.